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[livejournal.com profile] firstgold and I had a lot of Doctor Who catching up to do. Five episodes' worth, if you'll believe it.

Behind the cut, you'll find Three Things about each of the episodes we watched. Overall they were pleasant episodes, not particularly taxing or challenging, but not much more than just clever and fun. Which is a damn sight more than Torchwood can accomplish, I'll give them that.

4x03, "Planet of the Ood"
1. Death by claw-grabber? Genius. Ridiculous, but genius nonetheless.

2. TIM MCINNERNY! TIM MCINNERNY! On the bus, just before arriving at [livejournal.com profile] firstgold's place, I was thinking about the ad I'd seen for tonight's episode of House (which must have aired by now - how was it?) and thinking about the ad's "omg somebody dies" teaser. My thought was it would be hilarious of House kicked it and then immediately regenerated into Tim McInnerny. Because, you know, Blackadder. But I didn't know he was going to be in the DW episode I was about to watch. Gobsmacked, I was.

3. I quite liked that the Doctor and Donna weren't able to convert that PR girl to the Path of I'm Right 'Cause I'm The Doctor. The problem with POIRCITH is that it assumes the Doctor always knows best. I'm a bit uncomfortable with the whole Doctor-as-deity thing.


4x04, "The Sontaran Stratagem"
1. The Doctor is a cosmic dunce, and Donna is so very excellent for correcting him right off the bat. That's right, girl. Make him squirm a little and enjoy that praise while he's dishing it out. (He's also stopped with the constant "stupid humans" refrain, which is nice.)

2. I appreciate the nod to the fanatic wiki-writers who go on and on trying to reconcile the DW timelines with real world events. The Doctor worked with UNIT in the 1970s or 1980s. Or both. (...I like my nitpicking, but those nits are too fine even for me, y'know?)

3. We meet another companion's crazy mother. Through this episode and the next, it was fun to see her being as bossy as her daughter.

3b. Love the word "stratagem".


4x05, "The Poison Sky"
1. "ARE YOU MY MUMMY?!" JEENIUS. Absolute and utter genius.

2. Poor Ross. I'm getting a bit sick of all these disposable people who are charming, intelligent and whose deaths serve no narrative purpose. Let the nice guys live, eh?

3. I think Martha and Donna shouldn't have waited for that kid to volunteer for a suicide mission. Through the whole (unnecessary) buildup to the (unnecessary) showdown on the Sontaran ship I was advocating making the kid go.

3b. Martha hugs the Doctor when he rematerializes. Donna gives him a smack. I say again: Donna is a natural big sister and I love her for it. Sorry Martha: you're still badass, but with every episode I love Donna a bit more.


4x06, "The Doctor's Daughter"
1. This should have been a 2-parter. It felt rushed, and all the really good parts (ie. any and all conversations between the Doctor and Jenny, Donna being useful) went by far too quickly. Mostly because Jenny seemed like a really cool character (and, when I went to imdb to look up why she was kinda familiar... it's because she's Peter Davison's daughter: getting lucky with stunt casting?)

2. While I really liked the twist about the length of the war, I didn't buy most of the rest of the plot, including the fact that these bred soldiers would give it all up because they met a skinny madman who showed them a glowy light. Having an extra episode to play with would have made more things make more sense. And made Jenny's death-and-resurrection plausible, rather than retardedly obvious.

3. I liked Jenny quite a bit. She did a fantastic job with the part and I do want to see more of her. I especially want to see her show up on Torchwood and do some much-needed ass-kicking.


4x07, "The Unicorn and the Wasp"
1. Speaking of Peter Davison, back when he was the Doctor, there was an episode called "The Black Orchid", featuring a murder mystery in the 1920s at the country estate of British aristocracy, and an adult son who was affected by unlucky events abroad. That episode had less Agatha Christie, though.

2. I hereby declare: this season's gag reel must contain ample representation from the detox scene.

3. Catherine Tate does something funny every week that makes me laugh. This time it has sitting there eating those grapes in the parlor scene at the end. Hee!

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Date: 2008-05-20 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firstgold.livejournal.com
1. "ARE YOU MY MUMMY?!" JEENIUS. Absolute and utter genius.

I so called it, but not in a calling it sort of way. So funny that I was all "Are you my mummy?" before the Doctor actually said it!

3. I think Martha and Donna shouldn't have waited for that kid to volunteer for a suicide mission. Through the whole (unnecessary) buildup to the (unnecessary) showdown on the Sontaran ship I was advocating making the kid go.

If anyone reading this doubts her on this one, I can let you know that the doubts are unwarranted. Srsly.

Thanks so much for an awesome and relaxing weekend! I had a blast.

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Date: 2008-05-20 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naturelf.livejournal.com
I know! Last summer Dimitra ran around the office saying that over and over, such that I think it's the automatic reaction to seeing a gas mask. And! And! And then the show goes and does it too. Can't wait to watch the commentary on that and see who they credit with that idea...

If anyone reading this doubts her on this one
Snivelling little twerp, he was. Why bother making him American? Watched too much Buffy, perhaps? Twerp. If there was an airlock, I'd have sealed him between the doors for a good long time. Not spaced him, mind. Though upon reflection I'm a little more okay with how it played out, because he didn't get a heroic death, just a last-minute one. No posturing, grand speeches or noble endings. Just >blip< and gone.

Thanks for having me! It was delightfully relaxing. We must do it again sometime. :D

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Date: 2008-05-27 02:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firstgold.livejournal.com
Thanks for having me! It was delightfully relaxing. We must do it again sometime. :D

FOR SURE!

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Date: 2008-05-27 10:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naturelf.livejournal.com
Tee hee. Some time in June or August work for you? :P

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Date: 2008-05-28 12:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firstgold.livejournal.com
Ummm ... at this point, I think we're looking at after FanExpo (which I put in a request to have that Friday off). :S

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Date: 2008-05-28 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naturelf.livejournal.com
HAHHAHAHA. Oh dear. Cool, cool.

And I hope the Friday comes through for you. :D

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Date: 2008-05-28 11:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firstgold.livejournal.com
It should - my manager approved it and it doesn't conflict with any other engineers' vacation. PLUS I found out that construction on the subdivision I'm supposed to inspect likely won't start until towards the end of August!

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Date: 2008-05-29 12:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naturelf.livejournal.com
Awesome. And by end of August... they probably mean mid-September? :)

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Date: 2008-05-29 12:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firstgold.livejournal.com
That is what I am hoping for.

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Date: 2008-06-01 11:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naturelf.livejournal.com
Hooray! Gotta love planning.

Speaking of the end of August, did I tell you that's when I get to pick my courses? Undergrad schedules are already posted, but I don't even get to pick for another three months! (argh)

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Date: 2008-06-02 01:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firstgold.livejournal.com
Boo to having to wait three more months to pick your courses. *shakes fist at York*

Oh! Today while wondering around the Bookshelf, I heard two guys (one of whom was purchasing both volumes of Maus) complain about the architecture of the buildings at York U.

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Date: 2008-06-03 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naturelf.livejournal.com
I know, eh? Sure, they're giving me a tentative possible schedule by the end of this month (they said "the beginning" but I don't believe them) but I won't be able to enrol until later. Boooooo.

Heh, it's so fashionable to mock York. I like our wacky buildings. The old ones are a bit meh but the new ones are delightfully kooky. And they're green! Which is v. v. cool.

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Date: 2008-06-18 03:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firstgold.livejournal.com
Has York started buying Bullfrog Power yet? The City of Guelph has bought it for their pumping stations. Is very cool.

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Date: 2008-06-20 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naturelf.livejournal.com
Hmm... not that I'm aware of. I just did a search of the school's press releases, and no dice. There's a rideshare thing co-sponsored by them, but nothing much else.

What is it?

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Date: 2008-06-30 08:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firstgold.livejournal.com
Bullfrog Power (http://www.bullfrogpower.com/) is 100% green electricity, or so they say. It is a bit more expensive than normal electricity, and a lot of stores in Guelph are jumping on the Bullfrog-powered train. Energy comes from alternative sources (like wind power).

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Date: 2008-07-04 06:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naturelf.livejournal.com
Oh, neat. That would be excellent if York went over to it. I still facepalm at the people who would claim that wind power is ecologically unfriendly. Because nuclear power is so much better for the planet.

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Date: 2008-05-25 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piratefanatic.livejournal.com
Again, we've already talked through this, but LJ IS FUN. Wheeee!

So. I, too, want to see the detox scene on the gag reel. Or maybe as an extended scene. I've got this thing in my head where, during an early read through, RTD sees that Gareth Roberts has written in a vague "Doctor flails about" sort of stage direction for the detox scene and he knows that David will have plenty of fun with it. That's when he decides that he hasn't pranked David in a while, and it's high time. He first goes to Graeme, who is set to direct the episode. Russell would never admit it, but he's still a bit intimidated by Graeme. The man's been working on Who for longer than any one else! Yeah, sure they've worked together outside of Who, but Russell sill breaths a (totally internal) sigh of relief when Graeme says he's on board. A few days before filming is set to begin, Russell gathers the production team together and explains that he wants to film an extended version of the detox scene. The BBC has given him the go-ahead to include deleted scenes on the next DVD release, and he plans to use the space originally dedicated to 6 or 7 scenes to actually include one very very very long detox scene. He doesn't say anything about pranking, per se, but he does occasionally have trouble keeping a straight face. Later, he pulls Catherine aside and lets her in on the joke. She crows with laughter and pats his arm, telling him not to worry, that she'll milk it for all it's worth. The crew, bless them, have managed to work out more or less what's happening (alright, he was very bad at keeping a straight face) but they only snicker when David's out of earshot.

They're set to shoot the scene late morning on a Tuesday and isn't that just perfect. No Monday grouchies or late light blearyness. Russell hides in a corner while Graeme explains that they've added a bit to this scene and he's sorry that he's springing this on Catherine and David but there aren't actually new pages, so it shouldn't be too hard. Catherine mutters something about not being sure if David can keep up with her awesome improv skills and he sticks his tongue out at her like the polished actor that he is. Then Graeme explains that they're expanding the 2 minute detox scene to roughly 30 minutes. Catherine shrugs, says she's cool with that. David blinks. But he's a trooper, so he goes along with it. This is Graeme, after all; he's not exactly the joking sort. So David wanders over to the shelves and checks with the props people to see what he can touch and open and play with. Russell sits in his corner and giggles into his coat sleeves.

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Date: 2008-05-25 06:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naturelf.livejournal.com
That... yes, yes and all... but... why you write RPF?! BAD BAD BAD. Slippery slope! Danger! Warning!

like the professional actor that he is...
Overgrown children, the lot of them. Putting on shows for the neighbourhood kids, making their own costumes and OH BY THE WAY doing it all on the BBC's dime. No wait, that's The Mighty Boosh.

See? That's the thing about LOTR: they obviously had a great time on the shoot, but had no way of communicating that joy. DW looks like it's the best place to work, evar. Therefore DW (and TMB) > LOTR.

Incoherence as a result of post-lunch stupids. Mmmm... homemade tabbouleh and wacky organic corn chips.

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Date: 2008-05-29 12:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piratefanatic.livejournal.com
Overgrown children, the lot of them
So very very true. *cuddles them all*

DW (and TMB) > LOTR.
Yes... well... duh.

Mmmmm. Tabbouleh!

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Date: 2008-05-31 02:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naturelf.livejournal.com
Partial transcript of a real conversation had with a co-worker: "No, really. Doctor Who is a children's show. Yes. It's made for kids. Yes, but adults like it too. Yes. A kids' show."

Add a sprinkling of no, reallys and you're kiddings in there, and you'll have the full conversation.

She was all on about BSG because of how it's mostly politics, and I started to pass out from lack of interest and ran home to watch Dresden Files. Bwhahha.

Also, now I'm wanting to see a meta-fic where the characters of DW and TMB explain to the Fellowship why they're boring old fools. Can you see what the trip to Mount Doom would have been like if it was Vince and Howard going? Vince would probably call Sauron a berk.

This is turning into commentfic! Pt. 2 here!

Date: 2008-05-25 08:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piratefanatic.livejournal.com
And then the cameras are rolling and the entire thing is just as wonderful as Russell had hoped. David throws himself around the set and waggles his arms and how did he manage to get his feet to move like that and did Catherine really just say something about "optional uses for bananas?" Then a pause and David is off again, running with her banana theme, going on about just how wonderful bananas are and how many uses they have and how, unfortunately, they DON'T CURE CYANIDE POISONING and would Donna please find ground pigs foot or, baring that, a hot toddy with a splash of fresh squeezed orange juice.

Then there's a kiss (and a bit of groping from Catherine, Russell notes, that pitches David's screech just a bit higher) and Graeme finally calls final cut. David flops on the floor, thoroughly covered in all sorts of unmentionable substances. He's panting and grinning and he looks like he's just come out the looser in a very unfair food fight which, alright, he has. Russell wanders over to David and offers him a bottle of water (pleased to note he's managed to keep his giggles entirely under control). David nods absently, sits up, and notices who has done the offering. Russell makes small talk as David downs the water then pats his back carefully and goes to find Graeme.

Standing in line to scavenge sandwiches for lunch, Russel absently wonders how much money they could make if they were to finish the entire 40-some minutes they have of the scene and then sell it, so he doesn't notice the note slipped into his pocket. It's not until later that he pulls the paper out of his pocket and reads "You may want to watch your back from now 'till, oh, eternity. Never know what you'll find in your lunchbag. Or under the beg. Or in your pillowcase. Or waiting for you after a late night shoot. Happy nightmares! -D."

Re: This is turning into commentfic! Pt. 2 here!

Date: 2008-05-25 09:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piratefanatic.livejournal.com
K, that bit was supposed to get posted directly after the first 'cause it's really the image in the second comment that sparked the whole thing. But before I could actually submit it, Dad had to go and do his whole "I need attention. Here, let me feed my finger through the table saw!" act, and so there was a trip to the Urgent Care, and then there was waiting and waiting and then some stitching and some more waiting and a few x-rays (yay! no chipped bone!) and some more waiting and then dropping off the prescription and then getting coffee and new knitting needles while waiting for the prescription and now I'm finally home and can hit "submit." So I did.

And yeeeeah, I did just write RPF. But I had an image in my head and it wanted to get out. So... *can't manage a more viable excuse*

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Date: 2008-05-27 10:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naturelf.livejournal.com
All props for the RPF *shudder* and it's good to know your dad's hand is okay. Did you tell him his little saw-nom adventure interrupted RPF perversity? :P

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Date: 2008-05-28 05:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piratefanatic.livejournal.com
I have not so informed him. I expect he's probably go o_O once I explained the concept of RPF.

However, I have now started referring to the incident as the Saw-Nom Adventure and giggling every time I do so.

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Date: 2008-05-28 10:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naturelf.livejournal.com
I'd say inform him of "Saw-Nom" rather than the other thing. Also, glad I can toss some levity onto the situation. :D

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Date: 2008-05-29 12:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piratefanatic.livejournal.com
I did, in fact, tell him of "Saw-Nom" and ended up nattering about typos and intentional misspellings and that combines with the meds seems to have made Daddy's head essplode.

Whoops.

I blame the intarwebs.

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Date: 2008-05-30 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naturelf.livejournal.com
Ha - good times. Trying to a-splain the intarwebs is fun.

Re: This is turning into commentfic! Pt. 2 here!

Date: 2008-05-28 12:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firstgold.livejournal.com
I think this a perfectly acceptable bit of RPF. *nods*

Re: This is turning into commentfic! Pt. 2 here!

Date: 2008-05-28 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piratefanatic.livejournal.com
It's RPF rather than RPS, so at least I've got that going for me, right?

Also, it was fun. So I wrote it.

Re: This is turning into commentfic! Pt. 2 here!

Date: 2008-05-28 10:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naturelf.livejournal.com
Yeah, that one little letter saves you a whole lot of yikes.

However. Slippery slope!

Though it was fun.... *wavers*

Re: This is turning into commentfic! Pt. 2 here!

Date: 2008-05-29 12:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piratefanatic.livejournal.com
Slippery slope it is, for sure. I usually draw the line at content: a flippant drabble (or longer fic, really) that's just plain silly is fine by me. But Great Inner Turmoil in RPF is not something I want to read. Even if it's well written.

Haha! Watch me justify!

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Date: 2008-05-30 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naturelf.livejournal.com
Ha, yeah. When it goes from "ha, wouldn't it be funny if..." to "and now I shall make them emo woobies! watch as they have all my problems and I use them to whine about them!"

See also: epic novel-length cancer fic. It's of value to a very select group of fans, and I'm not one of them.

(Woo: music = Robyn's version of "Cobrastyle"... it's how she opened her show. :D)

Re: This is turning into commentfic! Pt. 2 here!

Date: 2008-05-28 11:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firstgold.livejournal.com
Yeah - if it was RPS I think I would have to slap you or something cuz just ewww.

Re: This is turning into commentfic! Pt. 2 here!

Date: 2008-05-29 12:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piratefanatic.livejournal.com
Word love!

Also, I realized I've used just over half of my icons in replies to this entry and am feeling compelled to use the rest. Bring on the comment spam!

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Date: 2008-05-30 08:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naturelf.livejournal.com
Oh noes....

And I like words. I know you know, but it bears repeating.

Re: This is turning into commentfic! Pt. 2 here!

Date: 2008-05-29 12:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piratefanatic.livejournal.com
And the slapping would be well deserved. No RPS here!

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Date: 2008-05-30 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] naturelf.livejournal.com
GOOD. :)
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